Friday, May 8, 2026

Aunt Lissie Our Local Witch

 

My Origins and our Local Witch

I was born in a small house built by my Uncle by marriage Jess Morgan who lived at the end of our long driveway by a Mountain branch that flowed into Frozen Creek.  Jess married my Grandma Chapman’s sister Fronie,  She was a stern but kind lady who I bought my first car from, a 1953 Bel Aire Chevrolet sedan. The branch, like many others, originated higher up the mountain and served whiskey stills over the years. In later years, I caught lizards in the branch, some poisonous and some not to use as bait  in the French Broad River that Frozen Creek ran into just two miles down the Frozen Creek road from our house. I was told that if the lizard had a blue or purple tail that it was poisonous. I never verified that, but I took particular care handling those lizards. We had a Mountain branch on my Daddy’s eight acres that we used as drinking water and to cool our milk and other products  from our milk cow. Our branch, like so many others throughout Transylvania County, provided water for whiskey stills. My Daddy had one of his stills close to the headwaters of what we referred to as the Spout Branch.

At a young age, I packed sugar and corn malt into the liquor still of my Daddy’s and carried 4 gallons of whiskey back down the mountain for my Mama to sell. We got the empty gallon jugs from a Coca Cola Plant in Hendersonville, North Carolina. The jugs previously held the syrup used to make Coca Cola soda pop which for some reason, we called dopes. Maybe we were the dopes, but I bought many a Coca Cola dope along with a moon pie at Harlow McCall’s small store roughly 3 miles or so from where Frozen Creek road ended at Highway 64 right close to the bend of the French Broad River. My purchase was put in a poke (paper bag).

Our small house had only two bedrooms, a living room, and a kitchen. We had both a front and back porch. This small house accommodated over a period of time 12 of 13 children that my Mother gave birth to before dying at the early age of 51.

We slept head to toe in the back bedroom in two full size beds. As the children grew up and left home, that left more food for the rest of us. We raised chickens and hogs, and we shot and killed the slowest animals in the surrounding woods . Every fall, we slaughtered a hog for winter meat, and we had a bank house built into the bank beside our house. Mama would go to the bank house to slice pork loin or bacon to compliment our breakfast of eggs and grits. The bank house had shelves to accommodate my Mama’s canned vegetables from her garden. She supplemented her garden bounty with canned Georgia Peaches that she bought from local fruit stands along highway 64. What a thrill to eat a bowl of canned peaches in the dead of winter or one of Mama’s peach cobblers. We fished and hunted and rarely bought anything other than flour, cornmeal, salt, and pepper from the local grocery store in greater downtown Rosman.

People make fun of me for writing the story of my birth. One minute, I was comfortable and warm and suddenly I was having my ass whacked by a doctor. I was born on a small cot right by a widow looking out onto our front porch. To say the least, I was shocked and confused. It was a hot August day, the 19th to be exact in the year 1946. I have written about some of my earliest memories of my birth and early years. I won’t go into much detail but in between napping I recall people stopping by to see the new baby. I looked around but, I never spied anything that looked like a new baby. After all, I was 9 months and three days old when I was born. Imagine my surprise when my Grandma took me from my Mama’s arms and referred to me as the new baby. Anyway, in later years, I would get birthday cards wishing me a Happy Birthday even though I only had one such event. It always confused me and it still does.

People poo poo my excellent memory of being born with a full head of hair and a mouth full of teeth, so let them. I know what I know and I yam what I yam.

I had eight brothers and four sisters with only  5  younger than me. I have lost precious brothers and sisters. My oldest brother Charles, who I loved dearly. My lovely sister Estelle who was not only a sister, but my best friend, My twin brothers, Howard and Harold, My brother Edgar who my Mama named after Edgar Allen Poe. My brother Ronnie who only lived a brief time after his birth. My brother Harold named his son Ronnie after my brother Ronnie. All my Aunts and Uncles lie in graveyards. We were all the same and we were all different, but we were always family. It is the way of the world that we each live and die. God breathed our first breath into us and with our last breath our soul escapes the body that housed our souls for the duration of our life. The Irish have the right idea; they celebrate the life of a person instead of mourning the death. The soul or the spirit of life lives on. My sister Thelma always liked the gospel; “Precious Memories” . My sweet Aunt Verdery played the song on her piano; “ Farther Along.”  My sister Estelle and I visited Aunt Verdery right before she died. On her death bed, she ordered me and Estelle to eat a delicious bowl of pinto beans (soup beans) from her kitchen. Of course we had corn bread with the soup beans. Each time I eat pinto beans, I think of Aunt Verdery. My mama always had pinto beans on the stove and plenty of biscuits and cornbread for anyone who stopped by our house  hungry. My friends though nothing of going into the kitchen and dishing up a bowl of soup beans and breaking off a piece of cornbread.  Precious Memories indeed.

 

Anyway, I wanted to mention our local witch. Her name was ,or still is, as far as I know, Aunt Lissie. Now Aunt Lissie ain’t my aunt but I along with hundreds of people called her Aunt Lissie and she loved being addressed in that way. I loved Aunt Lisse and fully believed as I do now that she was or still is a witch with special powers.  She was tall and mysterious. It was difficult to get a straight answer out of her. She lived about two miles up Frozen Creek road just past Mayapple Holler and at the foot of Jim Dick Hill. I don’t know a thing about the origin of Jim Dick Hill, I just accepted it as a landmark just as what is known after all these years, the Lissie Place. For a period of time, Aunt Lissie’s brother, Deilius Cantrell lived with Aunt Lissie. He was bedridden and did not speak much. He claimed that he was severely injured by the Ku Klux Klan in Kentucky. I don’t know.  I had a flat tire in heavy rain on a curve in Kentucky. I changed that tire as Semi Trucks whizzed by me mere feet away at blinding speed. I survived in case you were wondering.

So, mountain lore has it that ghosts and witches are plentiful in Western North Carolina. My Grandpa Chapman, in my estimation was the best storyteller in North Carolina. I fancy myself as storyteller, but I could never recount stories like my Grandpa. Each story he told enthralled the listeners and as you listened to his stories, you actually felt like you were in the story that he was telling. He had that knack to describe the scene perfectly and in a voice that paused occasionally which left you breathless waiting for the next part of the story. When I would return to my birthplace, my Daddy would take me to the local cemeteries and tell me about his memories of the person listed on the granite or marble stones. I asked my Grandpa if Aunt Lisse was a witch and he hemmed and hawed a bit before saying that he did not know, but that stories about her having special powers were too plentiful to just ignore. He said some things are just as hard to prove as to disprove.

 

When, I asked Aunt Lissie directly, she said that a lot of people believe that she is a witch and some disbelieve. She avoided admitting that she was a witch, but the evidence and personal stories of people who knew her well. My brother Edgar was a skeptic. He challenged Aunt Lisse to prove she was a witch by making him do something. I think Edgar had consumed a bit of my Daddy’s white lightning.

He stood in her front yard and challenged her to make him do something to prove she was a witch. She looked at him intently and said “ so, there you are.” He looked at her and said, “ what are you talking about.” She said, “I just had you climb my crabapple tree backwards.”  We used the term: “backassward.”

I don’t know that witches can get sick, but my Mama told us that she stayed with Aunt Lissie a few days when she was sick and needed help. Mama said that she was making Aunt Lisse’s bed and she reached down to straighten out a pillow on the bed and a hairball rolled out from under the pillow. Aunt Lisse was on the front porch wrapped in a blanket one minute and the next minute, she was in the bedroom with Mama and snatched the hairball from the bed and vanished. Well, Mama occasionally took a sip of Daddy’s brew also.

My brother Charles and my cousins Willard Morgan and Otis Morgan tell the same Aunt Lisse story. They had been drinking and stopped to visit Aunt Lisse. They sat in her living room by her fireplace, and they kept after Aunt Lisse to prove she was a witch. Exasperated, she passed around a fingernail clipper and told them to clip their fingernails. Se had a fire going in the fireplace.  They did. Then her kerosene lanterns dimmed and almost went out. The only light was from the glow of the fireplace. She told everyone to throw their fingernail clippings in the fireplace. As they did, the room grew darker and floating through the air from the entryway to the living room, a casket with brass handles floated through the room. The witnesses claim they were unable to move from their chairs until the casket disappeared from sight. They suddenly all decided it was time to leave.

 

I don’t know. I can only speak from my own experiences. I used to go to Aunt Lissie’s after school, and she would give me 10 cents per hour to weed and hoe her garden. I would work an hour or two and she had this small tobacco pouch with change in it. She would take out two dimes and hand to me and thank me for a good job.

After I left home to join the Navy, I would come back on leave and always visit Aunt Lisse. She was always happy to see me and asked me about the places I had been. Over the years, she never changed or looked a day older than when I was a young boy. I came back one year and her place was empty. I was told that she moved to Morgantown Norh Carolina. People told me that when they saw her, she looked the same as 40 years earlier. She never shows any aging. I have heard dozens of stories about her ability to heal injured people. One such story was a baby was severely burned and the doctors said that the baby would not live. Aunt Lissie was taken to the baby, and she applied some type of ointment to the baby and within a few days all signs of the burn disappeared.

If Aunt Lisse was or still is a witch, I don’t care. I loved her and will remember her always.

 

 

 

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